This is the video I promised you when we were talking about "Nothing is better"
And here some of the references
Steve de Shazer is being quoted: When clients answer 'I don't know' we can understand: 'I never thought about it that way. Give me pls some time to think it over'
Steve de Shazer in the quoted conversation "I want to want to" (your password is: Iwanttowantto2)
EFFORT-FOCUSED INTERVIEWING by HARRY J. KORMAN, JOCELYNE M. KORMAN, SCOTT D. MILLER In: Journal of Systemic Therapies, Vol. 39, No. 1, 2020, pp. 35–48